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Puccini Family Values
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Eimear tells the other Bluffers about the real-life opera plot that was Puccini's love life.
(TW: Suicide)
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Speaker 2You guys always start talking about controversial things. As soon as we hit record, right . We were talking about puppies. We hit record and now it takes you on the world puffy again. Yeah, no, we're fine. Does anyone want to do welcome to upper bluff ? Well , cam laughs with me, Catherine Young
Speaker 1With me either Collin and me,
Speaker 2Nia Collins. Forgot my own name there for a sec . I know
Speaker 1We need to change your name legally because we're do you have the same name as me?
Speaker 2Well, how many lawsuits have we got rolling. And so far we've got Johnny Depp and Samuel photo state. So Kathy , how are you? I thank you, nave . I, I am , uh, I'm good. I just got a puppy on Tuesday. It's now Thursday. So we've had two days with him and he's done two poos outside and about six wees and that's good success rate, which is very, very nice boy. Best boy. So does anybody have an upper bluff?
Speaker 1Excuse me? Oh, I didn't ask you how you were. No that . No .
Speaker 2Maybe there was such a dripping tone in that . Do you want to know? I do.
Speaker 1I want to know Kathy , what's the puppy's name?
Speaker 2We don't know. Oh, so the breeder actually. So we got , I have a list. Do you want to hear my list of terrible? I mean, I love them, but they're terribly wonky names. Yankee wonky. Okay. So my list of names, these are all my , um, and nobody listened to the podcast or YouTube can call any babies this just in case. Okay. All of these who asked the question and I know you'll be gutted, but Ambrose, Byron Rowan from was Dylan Griffin, Cosmo, Bravo, Jayco Paris, Albion Atlas, Clyde Casta , Tarka Sampson , Claude , Clement, backers, and Odin. That was my list of names. Wow.
Speaker 1You told him ,
Speaker 2Well, the breeder called them new China Pavarotti, which was an option early on . And so we're going with that because it really suits him. And the , um , Pavarotti was a , it was an option.
Speaker 1It wasn't much smaller than Pavarotti. Isn't he?
Speaker 2A little, yeah. I think most dogs are
Speaker 1It's super cute. No , it's like when I adopted , um , Wolfie , I knew it was when his name was Wolfgang. I was like, Oh my it's so funny that you had was that all our , I think that's all our catch-up use . Obviously did the all for Christmas because Oh yeah. Chris for Christmas . Yeah . Oh yeah.
Speaker 2Actually speaking of Christmas and how we haven't spoken to each other since the Christmas episode, obviously , um, mom was given out because apparently, cause I was saying we don't sing good King Wenceslas in Ireland. Um, because I don't and I didn't know it. And uh, but mum was like , um, I sang that
Speaker 1Growing up.
Speaker 2So I dunno , I dunno what you can do with that information. But I may have, I may have misrepresented Ireland in the previous episode. I don't know. I'm confused because people, my age don't seem to know it anyway. Huh? That's interesting because Ireland always wins the Eurovision . Maybe the way to get the Irish population to know the track, Carol is to put it into your revision, you know, then the whole of Europe. Wow . That's a plan. I mean, that's all
Speaker 1Because that's what Europe needs right now is for Britain to enter all its traditions into the hero.
Speaker 2Yes . Britain, Britain enters being like, let me educate you.
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , yeah.
Speaker 2That's an example to you guys .
Speaker 1You gave us Mozart, but we able to give you good cake once in a sec , what's up EMA.
Speaker 2What's happening with the government in the UK. What's going on? Apparently,
Speaker 1Honestly, it's like, I feel like at the moment, whatever Scotland do they English, like government are going, Oh, well the better do that. Then it's like, I know same here. We were going to do it first. But they, you know, it's like, so nothing is happening. And I would say , get out of my head bonkers. Like that's really funny. Can I tell you the worst thing about COVID though? Sorry, not the worst thing. The worst thing about COVID is obviously catching COVID I'm dying. Right? That's horrendous. But uh, what are the other kind of things for COVID is I've been doing that whole like going for a walk thing, meeting one person from another household, going for a walk in the mornings. But my pal Lauren , I know the singer and um, there's so many dogs in the park and dogs now think I'm the biggest in the world because I don't want to touch other people's dogs in case they have COVID I have COVID someone else who's touched. The dog has COVID. And so the dogs are like prick and I'm like, no, man
Speaker 2Was not expecting your relationship with dogs to be the worst thing about them .
Speaker 1Like I just don't have any dog anymore. It's not fair. It's me and the tags . Well , the cats. And
Speaker 2I think that that's a problem for you in your life. I think that's nice. That's a wholesome problem to have. And it's a sad thing.
Speaker 1Mm I'm just disappointed him. Oh , the dogs have brightened . You can have this done. We get them in little tuxedo. No , we should do a trio with him mate. He can be the Jose Carerras . Oh no, just
Speaker 2Cause you so much shorter. Oh
Speaker 1No. I started the cheek. Right anyway . So yesterday I was still pitched on my story.
Speaker 2No, when we have an upper bluff. Yes. The upper bluff .
Speaker 1Yes . Okay. Oh God. I don't even remember the opera anymore. To be honest. I don't remember any Bluffs. This is why we need , um , soundbeds
Speaker 2To remind us of which sections coming next.
Speaker 1[inaudible]
Speaker 2So I got a message from Kira asking what is the sexiest? Uh, it depends , uh, it depends email .
Speaker 1Well immediately . I just thought Salamay and I'm like, no [inaudible] myself. Yeah. It depends how you define .
Speaker 2I find sexy if you think, I mean, I kind of want to know what Salamino is now salad mate is , um, you know, the Oscar Wilde Salamay um, and basically the reason why I said it is because there's the dance of the seven veils in it where salami solely strips , uh, to this very famous dancer . Seven bales . Yes. Neve . Yes. But she is stripping for her father so that her father will cut off the head of somebody who's rejected her. So , and also she is 16, I think. So maybe not the sexiest or so stripping.
Speaker 1that. Yeah . Okay. Maybe pick a different one. Yeah. Okay . family friendly version of that is probably Carmen, but it's Carmen like 16 as well as secretly. No, there's no. As far as I'm aware, she's an adult woman, 15
Speaker 2In Carlton
Speaker 1And she's a big spreadsheet . I can't in my brain. I'm like sexy, sexy
Speaker 2With Carmen being sexy is that like she's condemned for her sexuality. So she she's, she dies at the end because she's too sexy. So the man falls in love with her and then loves her so much that he has to kill her, obviously, because she goes off to someone it's very sexy. I realized that I might have an answer for this. I didn't know. I had an answer to this until just now, but, and opera that I have seen because EMA and I went to see it together. Um, or what's it called? Oh, EMA it's all men only . But there was yeah, there was lots of Simon King, the side , like hanging from a bar singing. Lots of homoeroticism. Yeah.
Speaker 1I mean sexy. If you
Speaker 2Want to see an opera with no sex in it and only one, once one literal sex in it,
Speaker 1But that's fine.
Speaker 2But I mean like, I suppose I'm kind of thinking of it, like, you know, Chippendales is something, Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1They should do that. They should do it with chip and Dales . They should do it. So Billy butters
Speaker 2Not pro where you often get a it's set on a ship. So , um, uh, there's men all over the rigging and stuff , um, sounds like euphemism, but you're right. And literal sexy terms that probably has more potential to be , uh , Zima back.
Speaker 1I am back , but I've just thought, so there's a new opera of Brokeback mountain that might be pretty sexy and sad, but there's an opera. No way. Is it set in a lighthouse and that's a callback to previous episodes. It's terrible. Um, but it's not opera in there . Someone dies fact , not a fan .
Speaker 2That's true. I'm thinking of genuinely sexy operas. Like to be honest, if it's very sexy, it's normally problematic, isn't it?
Speaker 1Yeah. Don Giovanni is probably a bit sexy, but it's been many years
Speaker 2Don Giovanni. Yeah. But it doesn't have to be that depends on the production. Unfortunately Neve this covers into territory of what the directors think is sexually, you know, is acceptable to show a sexuality. And that's interesting. There's a, so at the beginning of Don Giovanni, one woman , uh, it, depending on the production is either going along with a sexual encounter or being raped and unfortunately, a lot of the time .
Speaker 1So the time
Speaker 2The production chooses to do one, which is a little dubious, I don't know . I don't know.
Speaker 1Basically it's casting the role of Don Giovanni is Harvey Weinstein, not so sexy. I know that's what the whole problem with the me too movement lies . It's like kind of brought to reality, all this like sexual power by men in opera. You're like, eh,
Speaker 2We're all like, this is, this is fun. No,
Speaker 1It's not. It's not fun anymore. Well, do you know who, absolutely wouldn't pass the me too movement who pitched Cine and that is, Oh today , what is it ?
Speaker 2Excellent segue.
Speaker 1I feel a bit guilty that maybe I shouldn't nearly do this because there's just no crack to be had here lads, because it's a great, great for a comedy class , eight story. And you know, the worst part about this is patina was like my favorite composer, Nini after Verde like to sing, I absolutely frigging love this stuff. So I'm going to tell you the story of a dirt bag called Batini. Okay , cool . I'm a dirt bag. Not the mascot for me to know . Not definitely not to me to mascot . So Jackie [inaudible] was born in 1858 to 1924. In that space of time, he managed to write 10 operas, pretty fricking famous ones. So he wrote [inaudible] he wrote Tasker . He wrote, Oh , Napa M sexy
Speaker 2Tosca is kindness. Exi . Sorry. I'm just going back to the sexy thing. Sorry, bringing sexy back and under scope . That's sexy. Yeah.
Speaker 1Sexy. Uh, he wrote Madam , this girl was kind of his first big hit, actually. That was the kind of the one that put him on the map. Um, he wrote butterfly was there really? I thought that was late. No, no. Yeah. Madams go is the first one. Uh, it was um, fun . Chula de last was the sort of, that was the late ish or late . Not of the kind of main big trio ones. And he wrote Madame butterfly. I actually have , you've seen me in between the opera. Oh, Oh, Oh, a little mermaid. [inaudible]
Speaker 2Amazing name . Oh my God.
Speaker 1I wish no. Any of these told me Janice Kiki .
Speaker 2Oh yeah. Right . Which has the very famous EMA do the Omer .
Speaker 1Oh , that one. Oh , I actually , yeah, there you go. That's embarrassing. I don't know why it's embarrassing. I feel like a now an opera singer on an opera podcast. I might sound clipping someone else. Yeah . He's better than me. [inaudible] so
Speaker 2Sound clip in a bit of a little moment. That'd be fun.
Speaker 1[inaudible]
Speaker 2Hi, Julie, on a side note, does everybody know that little mermaid is very, is like a story. I think it was a Grimm's fairy fairytale EMA, but there's also an opera called [inaudible] , which is like,
Speaker 1Actually it's my flippant favorite opera. And that's the one that have sold me. And that's what she thought she was too . But lads, can I tell you when the little mermaid came out, I nearly drowned in Buncrana Tim pool trying to sing underwater . I was so excited by it. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2That's adorable. Little EMA. Yeah .
Speaker 1Just like areas under the water. Yeah. Look at these things. [inaudible] surprised that I survived. To be honest, I was so determined. Yeah. Special place. Special . Same with me too. I wouldn't stop seeing the
Speaker 2Little mermaid soundtrack around home. So, so my mum sent me to choir when I was about
Speaker 1Seven. That's how I started.
Speaker 2Well, I was already singing a bit, but you know, [inaudible] with, I feel like you to solve things like that and we decided you liked singing. And I saw things like that and was like, I want to be a dolphin.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2We have a little puppy. That's trying to ruin the podcast. Microphone cable.
Speaker 1Oh, that's okay. Sorry. He'll be forgiven. Luciano, Pavarotti destroy our upper podcast. Ironic . Yeah .
Speaker 2That's the name of the dog. If we've edited, the [inaudible]
Speaker 1Just not
Speaker 2Insult one of the greatest things
Speaker 1About Pavarotti, ruining everything. [inaudible]
Speaker 2He ruined everything. Oh my God. Why
Speaker 1Did Pavarotti just pee on the floor? Yeah.
Speaker 2More vocal in the last day, but nowhere near like the real Pavarotti yet . He's only nine weeks old. So yeah .
Speaker 1Yes , exactly. I'm hopeful. Okay. Uh , okay. So let me tell you, so I, so that's all about it's operas , right ? To be honest with you just to tie up, this is his operas in a nutshell, he wrote class music, right? He wrote, choose big bangers. Really? Actually, as a singer, really amazing to sing actually Cine is like kind of gift focally . Like he really wrote for singers. Like he understood how to make people sing. Right. So from that point of view , I'm just going to put this out there. He is a genius, right? Genius . Yes he is. And what, well, up until this point was probably my favorite composer to sing. Also .
Speaker 2We should say like, if you're getting into opera for the first time, petunias of ETF , petunias opportunity, opera will be on like most opera houses. We'll do a petunia opera. They're incredibly popular. They're very, very good. And they're there and they're just amazing. Yeah . So , but also go and see one, if you haven't seen an opera, a petunia one is a good place to start.
Speaker 1Yeah . It's an amazing place to start. Everything by Piccini is a banger. I don't want to tell you about between these operas. That's not what I'm here for. I'm going to tell you,
Speaker 2I love that. Not here for facts , not here for operas.
Speaker 1I'm going to tell you about patina , his love life. That's all I care about today. Uh, yes. And hopefully it won't Murray your opinion of his operas or maybe it should. I don't know. What do you want to hear? Oh, before I start, by the way, it's the most scandalous thing that pretty much in the opera world is pretty well known. Right? But not outside the upper world, but
Speaker 3Near if I knew this before I started researching this, Kathy , you definitely probably know this fact that patina has made killed herself after his wife accused him and her of having an affair. And after she died, they did an autopsy and it turned out she was a Virgin.
Speaker 2Oh yeah. When she was married, she wasn't married.
Speaker 3No, she wasn't married. But she's why
Speaker 2She needs you to say the Chinese wife accused chase Puccini's wife.
Speaker 3El Vira accused. Yeah. Doria, Mancini. I think her name was no man. Fraidy God . Uh , of having an affair with Mancini , like a Jesus man for Grady , um, accused. Do you know what the worst part about doing all this? Is that like everybody obviously, cause we're in Italy, has Italian names. And if you don't say them, like some sort of idiot, like trying to put on an Italian accent, they sound. So unless I'm like Johnny have fun or what does it mean for 80 ? It's like, then I look like a Dick. So I'm going to call her Dorian and pretty . But I am aware that this will make Italian people's toes curl. Uh, but I just can't let , I'm just not that person. It's like opera singers . Do this all the time, Dave , where they're like, Oh yes, I'm singing something from and then suddenly speak in a different accent. And you're like, what happened there? Anyway, there you go. So I'm going to bastardize all of these names, rush as a disclaimer. But um, so that's like everybody kind of in the, like if you're into Puccini , everyone sorta knows that story. Right? That's like a famous story.
Speaker 2I think I messed up the whole story. So [inaudible] friend who was only 16 years old killed herself. No, you're making up. I'm sorry. So ,
Speaker 3So pitchy , these made Dory
Speaker 2Made, I thought you were saying petunias mate. I was like, all right .
Speaker 3Is maid servant, Doria killed herself after Puccini's wife, Avira accused her of having an affair with patina.
Speaker 2Oh. And then the next part is that then she was found to be a Virgin after her death. So she had that to set. So everybody, everybody knows that everybody knows that story. Yes.
Speaker 3Not everybody, but it's a pretty well-known story. And actually probably on his Wiki page that that happened. Right. That's not exactly what actually happened, lads . So this is what I'm going to tell you about. So the real story behind , um, Dorina or Dory is death. Okay. So we have to go right back to 18 four when petunia was 26, which is when he met El Vira . So Puccini had this mate called Narcisso Jimmy , Annie rash , who is like a local shopkeeper or whatever. And uh, Narcisso was like, Hey man, can you like give my wife like piano lessons or whatever. She found scissors up as a bit of a singer, give her a bit of like an old goat over there. Uh, and Patrina literally gave her a going over.
Speaker 1So, ah, yeah.
Speaker 3And they started an affair, but petunia justified this cause petunia was like that's grand . Cause , uh, because I know him personally and he's a bit of a decade and he treats her really badly that's fair game. And he naturally has written that down a letter it's fair game, man. He's a. So they have this affair for two years and have to go into hiding because Narcisso was like, what the? Yeah. And like vice to like tell them or whatever. So they go into hiding and then they disappear completely. After in 1888, I say this very completely. I think they just go to some sort of picture as Lake Taran or whatever Bush they leave Luca , which is where this is all happening and disappeared to the countryside somewhere because Alvera is pregnant.
Speaker 1Oh yeah. And she's still very shy
Speaker 3Afterwards. She gives birth to Antonio. Right ? Who is petunias? Illegitimate son now also LCRA . It brings with her, her six year old daughter with old Narcisso uh , who's called foster . So she's six at the time. So she's still pretty much a baby or whatever. So that's fine. And then they live patently , very unhappily , uh , for the next
Speaker 1Well , yeah, because Puccini , they don't sound like the most secure couple in the world. She's like, and she's a little bit like
Speaker 3Younger than him over two years younger than him. But like she's left her husband for this guy. She can't marry him because it's ironically, it's still like, [inaudible] times it's still the 16th century. Uh, in terms of like, women's like equality, she can't divorce him. So she's sort sorta stuck. Right? Put two kids and a husband or a husband, a boyfriend who has the most wandering eye ever. And he refers to them as his, Oh , get this. So every affair he refers to as his little gardens have grimaces .
Speaker 1I know, like I know he was having a lot little gardens, the gardens, eh
Speaker 3Okay. Trim and a load of bushes. Yeah.
Speaker 1And he's making
Speaker 3Vieira crazy because she's so insecure obviously, because she'd be to Phil after . Right. But he blamed it all on her and her nerves. And you're like, I wonder
Speaker 2Where the gas lighting her. Yeah.
Speaker 3So, so the issue with him, he has to sleep with other gardens because of her nerves. Right.
Speaker 2Oh , that's so sad. I know. Right . A sad narrative. So the thing with other women she's completely mental. It's like what she meant before you started sleeping with all the women.
Speaker 3Oh . And he really famously during this time. Right. When people were like, Hey man, are you being a bit of a trap to your old like kind of lover girlfriend person that you made leave her husband for? And he's like, ah, taught me my fault. And this is him. This is from him a quote from him. And he says, I am a mighty Hunter of WildFile operatic librettos and attractive women. Not my fault. Yeah . Yeah.
Speaker 2So , uh , I thought as well, like wild fowl was meant to just be a euphemism for women. Like, you know, Jason birds, you know, have you seen the vine or like, I don't know , internet, video, whatever, where it's like the little girl and she, like, she goes, look at all chickens. And it's like a really big field full of like ducks or something. [inaudible]
Speaker 3Okay. Right. So this is where we're up to. Okay. So between these off trimming gardens, Mo Mo and lawns, and Avir has gone a little bit nuts over it. Right. But none of the lawns he's mowing stick, you know what I mean? So that's fine because they happen in like the opera houses basically shagging all the leading ladies and he's coming back to her gross in the countryside and then they're all like, okay, that's fine because right.
Speaker 2Why is that gross? Cause leading ladies of course assume that he's like a predator.
Speaker 3No, there's just the thing it comes back to and there's lists of names, lads. And some of them are very, and I just feel like I'm not going to name them because they're very prominent singers of their time and they were young. So you're like, is it a bit of a Harvey Weinstein thing that in walks God just to put into context
Speaker 2Difficult in opera, go on .
Speaker 3So they said in the movie bays , you know what I mean? Like the thing is he was worth, do you want to know how much petunia was worth in his lifetime? He died. He was worth over 130 million pounds
Speaker 2In like today's money or
Speaker 3No. Cause it was Lira. So it was probably like 18 billion thousand whatever lyrics. Um, but yeah, so he was like this really rich and powerful guy, like he was untouchable, you know what I mean? So anyway, anyway, cut that short. So not cut the show , but like he's off doing all his operas and in every opera, every time something premiere , somewhere, he just shags another bird or whatever. And that's fine. Comes back to Alvera who's sitting there in the countryside, unmarried with his kids. That's fine. Right. They kind of go about a bigger sort of gives into this lifestyle and it sort of accepting of it because she can't see it. She hears rumors, but you can't see it then in 1900. Right? So at this point he's walked 42 in 1900 on a way back home, on a train, he meets a girl called Karena . It's probably like Carvery now . Cause it's a double I think . Or maybe it's a dominant , I've just written it down wrong. So anyway , whenever Karena and he falls, she's a teacher from Luca . Right? So very close. That's the time where he met Elvira. They're not that flipping far from Luca by the way. Uh, so falls, madly deeply in love with her visor a house and asks her to marry him. Oh
Speaker 4Well , cause Laura's , he's not married. I'm married , still get married to someone .
Speaker 3He is uh , like free and single . What stops him from marrying her and like running off into the sunset with her is that Avira this whole time was totally losing her mind. Reggie's going batshit . She goes on hunger strike, Whoa , stops eating to prevent him from leaving
Speaker 4Her and leaving her with nothing like abandoning her.
Speaker 3Right . And the children. So the kind of pauses it, he has a bit of a conscience. He's like, well that's but. But anyway, whatever. So he's going off. Cause the thing is as well , he's really at this point, like he's written his three big hitters. So he's written, he's written at least two. So he's written poem and he's written Tasker . So he's huge. He's traveling. He's touring Italy. Definitely, but pretty much the world. So he's in and out. So honor , this happens over quite a long period of time. Right. But in 1903, he's in a massive just before butterfly opened, he's in a massive car crash. Whoa. A car crash that throws El Vira and his son Antonio out of the car injured, but not like deadly injured. They're just badly bruised and pins. Uh Pachino under the car. No. So he's trapped under the car. He nearly asphyxiates from the fumes because guard still running. By the time he gets rescued and then spent months in hospital. Now here's where it gets fun. Right? So patina is lying in a hospital. He's being cared for by his sisters. At least one of whom is a nun , uh, and is absolutely mortified like that. He still like is treating Elvia really badly. And that he's doing such a jerk. He's such a jerk . And he's having this dalliance with this girl Carina . And he's like, doesn't matter. I'm going to marry Corrina . Like, and the nun is like, I'm not sure, you know who Corrina is. You like need to watch yourself and where the is she now? And he justifies that. I imagine this is me putting words into fraternity's head as, because it's so scandalous and everybody knows everybody. If she did appear to kind of come to his rescue, that would look really Dodge for him. It would cause a scandal and everyone's already like, not okay with this. So she doesn't come to see him and his like nun , sisters , like banging on, on him about marrying a Vira recording steps in. And it's like, man, I said recording . Yeah, the party . He's like, I'm not sure what record is like basic , uh, reasoning for this. Oh guys, I lift
Speaker 2Forties , some famous. Oh. To , to Anthony's record . He is a publisher that publishes a lot of opera, a lot of operas . So if you're an opera singer, you will have a , school's published by recording. So it's something I see all the time. It's it's a publisher . It's like lady bird.
Speaker 3It is. Yes . And they all got one he's holding much . And the reason why I have these it's Verde and pitchy that I have the recording scores because they had the rights to all the manuscripts and still I think, do I think they still have, cause they're definitely still like the number one for publishing this music and that if you, if you're in one of these operas, they're the scores you want to pay more for that score because the editor will be the composers yet you always get a recording. So, so that sounds like an ad. Doesn't it? You want to pay more for the recordings were open to me after this podcast. No , I left a really , really crucial, crucial bit of information. Sorry. The night after the petunias , I'm going to call them in the petunias , um, accident. Um, do you remember this guy from the beginning? Narcisso Jemena gets shot before, before the car crash. The night after the crash , someone shoots him. Oh my God. And it turns out the person who shot him was can you guess his wife? No. No, it wouldn't have been great. No, he gets shot in a car crash. Yeah. He gets shot by the husband of another woman. He's having an affair with us. Wow. Yeah . Yeah. I know when I read it initially, I was like, hell yeah ,
Speaker 2I know. Well, to be honest, my second guest was going to be, my second guest was going to be , um, uh, petunias, nuns , sister . I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3I'm going to sort it out. Yeah . It's just so
Speaker 2Very different story to swore Angelica
Speaker 3Written jokes. Sorry , operate jokes where Angelica is a story. You heard about a nun. Just so you know it means sister Angelica. It's one of my tragic , Oh my God. It's one of the most beautiful things you'll ever put in your ears though. It's just ridiculous. Anyway, so, okay . Yeah. So that's why the nun was putting him under so much pressure to marry. Elvir it ? Because suddenly Avira was a widow. So she was married bubble and Bertini was like, ah, yeah, but I've already, I'm gonna marry Corrina . Right? That's a shame. Wow. Yes. So then recording steps in and record. He's like, man, you need to marry El Vira for the sake of my career,
Speaker 1Your career. Because like
Speaker 3In Catholic Italy , this would have been the most shocking thing ever. If he had left the woman he'd been with at this point guys for 17 years.
Speaker 1Hmm ,
Speaker 3Wow. Yeah. To marry a girl more than 20 years younger than him and left his kids,
Speaker 1Especially know that El Vira was like newly thing .
Speaker 3Yeah , exactly. Especially now that she's nearly single. So that's why recording steps in is like patina is like, no, I'm madly in love with this Corinne , babe. So that's just tough because my Dick tells me that's the better decision to make. So, so the non convinces him plants a seed of doubt in his head and it's like, you know, I don't think all is what you think it is. So he hires , uh , uh , what is it called? A private detective to go to Luca , follow her , uh , PI a P I. So it turns out that old Karena wasn't exactly who she said she was,
Speaker 1Hey, washy Narcisso [inaudible] yeah. Thanks . Doo .
Speaker 3It was, well, her name was Carina . Right. But she was also doing a bit of a line with many, a gentlemen in the town , some would say for money, that money passed between her and said to gentlemen , um , so basically he'd been dating a prostitute. Right. And he went mental, this
Speaker 1Oh, mental I'll even read out what he says about her. Hang on. I even highlighted it right there. I even
Speaker 3Highlighted it so that it didn't like,
Speaker 1Oh , you're going to feel all right .
Speaker 3This is one of the notes he's enter . Right. Um, it was like what an abyss of depravity and prostitution. You are a. And with this I leave. Yeah.
Speaker 1Okay. So Corinne is that the whole then like , not that
Speaker 3Fast, man. I have all of these letters that you wrote me and I still own the house you bought me and all this stuff. So yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah. I think you'll find you are a shame .
Speaker 3Yes. I think you're fine . You are the, but are not the ashes. And if you don't want all of Italy to know, you've been like sleeping , mummy are prostitute. You're going to hand over a load of cash. Otherwise we're going to the courts. Right. And he's like, Oh . Right. Cause that's going to look even worse. And he was ready to leave a Vira hanging for a , uh, cause you know, that whole double standard thing,
Speaker 1Even though he wrote it, like, is there anything, did he write a book prostitutes? So
Speaker 3[inaudible] , it's one of those wants, it's a bit like the opening of Don G . We just said, some people think she's a seamstress . Other people interpret that as a prostitute.
Speaker 1Yeah. You bet . Also then I think there would have been a lot of blurred lines. You know, if you weren't a married woman there, it was , it was, you know, you had friends that paid for your things and stuff. You know , what's a sex worker when everybody's happy . Like where's the line when women have diaries
Speaker 3Thousand percent, right. Thousand percent. And I actually, she was no worse than him. Right. So let's just get that straight. Well , Corrina I'm actually quite delighted was playing Bettina at his own game. So she's like, no, no, no, no. You don't get to just like say all these things about me or you don't get to write letters like this and you certainly don't get to walk away without nothing. Uh, I'm going to take you to court and I'm going to publish all of these letters. If you don't give me a big pile of money. So he absolutely himself. And then what a jammy bastard lads, because Corinne , his dad is done for being a Peter
Speaker 1Wash .
Speaker 3Yeah. He gets arrested for like filling the boat with like young girls and exposing himself children. Yeah.
Speaker 1Oh, it's disgusting
Speaker 3Because it's Italy. And because you are obviously a product of your family , uh, Korean, I had to drop it because nobody, nobody believed her. They were like , no, well you're a hussy in your father's on your phone. Yeah. So patina , totally dodged that bullet. Yeah. No . And so then, because he felt he had to.
Speaker 1Yeah. Does he at least marry Elvia , but he, I feel like he married [inaudible] so he does, he buys there , right? Like Pearl Dale , it now they had to wait 10 months
Speaker 3Because apparently under law you have to be like 10 months widowed, eh , to legally. Okay . So they did remarry , uh, or sorry, remark . They then married.
Speaker 1So that was fine. Just picturing, like the pick , the cover of this rum comment. It's just like El Vira like winking how'd you get your man back up . He tries to Sue a prostitute for leaving you . She has a fee to our father intending [inaudible] . Yeah . So that was all great. So that was in 1904
Speaker 3Was when they married. So that's when they'd been together, I think 17 years, whatever, but long time, Jesus . Longer than I've ever been married . Anyone that's for sure. But the thing is now I'm painting a V-Ray to be a bit of a victim of Vera was feisty. Right. So by all accounts , but I don't blame him for being a bit feisty. So during all this, right? So this is, they marry in 1904. The Korean thing happened in like 1903 ish, 1904 . But they employ a maid in 1901 cold Doria . This is where Doria comes in. So Doria man fraidy is employed by the petunias in 1901. So she's there for all of this stuff. Right. And he's actually for the record, quite close to patina on the sexy way, just close . Probably one of the only women patina , he didn't try to shag and he probably did try to shagger but even for patina , like he's nearly 50 at this point. And Dora Doria is 16. And maybe it's because his daughter is older than Doria . Maybe that's the line. I'm not like or stepdaughter . I'm not sure what the lines are in petunias head. But anyway, he didn't shag Doria that much we know rash. Well done per Cine all is forgiving . Sorry . So Dorie is in their service, right? So she'd been there a long time. This is seven years later. So in 1908, but Astoria to run ahead and open up whatever Lake house , uh, whatever it's called the Lake house is in, hang on. I'll clip this in. Cause it's important because it's where the Pachino many houses. Now the museum it's like Tor , it's like toward a Lago . I think it's called. Oh, I've been there. Yes. This is a Taurus . Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah . Anyway , I didn't write it down . No I didn't. But somewhere like that. So not really important ads , no one cares , uh, Googled the Virginia museum. If anyone is that bothered and the patina festival . So facts . Not what we're here
Speaker 5For. Not what we're here for. Yeah.
Speaker 3Uh, okay. And this is Tara Del Lago . Yes. Yeah. Tornado Lego . So , um, but Jeannie Astoria did run ahead and open up the house and they air it out and do all that stuff before they arrive. When Doria gets there, she catches Pachino his daughter. Foscar in bed with the librettist, from Patrulla Del West. His name is , uh, Gail ful . Tiffany , who is not her husband. Her husband is like an impresario called Salvadori Leonardo. So she's just like a father. Oh absolutely. I mean, he's their stepdad technically, but like he's her dad. So yeah. So Doria comes in and she's like, Holy. I saw nothing. I saw nothing but fosters like, like her husband's a big wig in the theater community or Doug bonkers. Nevermind. Like her husband will go nuts because she's sleeping with someone else and she's sleeping with this like , uh, Guilford , Tiffany , uh, guy. Why are they all shacking ? Each other Watson
Speaker 1Librettist. Oh fantastic . [inaudible]
Speaker 3Because it's basically the words. It's the lyrics. Technically it's the person you write .
Speaker 1So fast guy is having an affair with a man who writes the words. And her husband is a man who runs the theater. It's all happening. Then theater, drama. Like , I feel like this is just, is this, this is stereotypical
Speaker 31908 is around the time that he wrote the, he was, he actually didn't write anything after butterfly up until this point. So butterfly happened and it premiered in 1904 and then, and that's when all the car crash and all that nonsense, Wes , um, Corina was happening and uh, marrying El Vira and now we're in 1908 and he's writing fun. Chula Del Western just means the girl of the West. Got he won the rights to it. And the guy then who was taking the novel and making it into appropriate opera style lyrics was this guy, Gulfo , Tiffany who also decided to take patina his daughter and rewrite her lyrics. No, I dunno . It can kind of make that.
Speaker 1Wow. Was that supposed to be an innuendo? Rewrite her lyrics EMA . Do another one. Ames . That was amazing. Use that for seductive technique .
Speaker 3Rephrase her paragraphs. Yeah. I am big . Pictometry her. Yeah . Yeah . Anyway, so that's what was happening. So Doria walks in and this and this , like, Hey man, that's not how I thought it went to know that . Yeah .
Speaker 1Punctuate her phrasing. [inaudible]
Speaker 3It's mental. Right? It's like an overdrive is still how the to cover this up. So Doria runs to patina to tell him because she's terrified and foster runs to her mum and foster gets there first and tells her mom that she arrived at the house to find Doria and Cine in bed together. Yeah. Cool. Wow. That's [inaudible] her mind. Cause it's one thing trimming your Rose bushes somewhere else. But like yeah. We nailed flower beds at home. Yeah . Not the
Speaker 2Old marital flower beds.
Speaker 3Yeah. So that's what she goes mental. Oh gosh . That's awful . She fires Doria on the spot. She she'd kind of thought the whole time that patina was seeing someone. And then when foster comes to her, he probably does it. I say a snake ever change its spots, but that leopard. Yeah. But the thing was, I'll tell you this in a second tonight, he was actually seeing someone. So a Vierra wasn't that mental. Yes. It just wasn't seeing Doria right. Then never that mental,
Speaker 2He just wasn't seeing Dora
Speaker 3Didn't know that patina was seeing someone and you know what I mean? So this is the triangle basket tells the Vira that he's sleeping with Doria and Puccini is actually sleeping with someone. The Doria was going between. So Dorian knew that too.
Speaker 2Oh. So Dora knew that too. Ah, so Joy's 16 years old. She catches , uh , you know her basically her mistress.
Speaker 3Well, she might be, she might be 21 now or 20 or 21 only having been employed by the petunias . She's quite close with. Jacomo like,
Speaker 2Yeah, that'd be like your family. But also like if Doria was a go between, then she would have been in the places like where the affair .
Speaker 3So she was in the places. So Avira totally was like, yes, it all adds up, all adds up. This totally makes sense. He's sleeping with the made poor Dory . That's the line. Yeah. So Doria is sacked, publicly handed. Uh, Alvera calls her a like publicly, every time she sees her, like it threatens to hurt her, all of these things. Do you want to know who she was sleeping? He was already have a Cato . He was shocked by that other dude for Shagun his wife. So now patina is sleeping with Julia Manfredi. Oh, who is his first cousin? So we have Doria man frailty . And now we have Julia man Freddy . So that's why Doria was going between the two was , was uh , Julia married? No. So Juliet obviously will be ruined if this comes out. Yes.
Speaker 2Well , so Doria takes the fall. So Doria takes the,
Speaker 3Because she wants to protect her cousin. Also everyone thinks the Doria was Shagun Buccini and let's be honest. Like everyone will believe that because patina is to everybody. And so Doria is a fallen like teenager, like pretty much. I mean, again , she might be in her early twenties at this point, but she's a fallen woman. Like she hasn't even had her life yet and it's, she's already fallen. You know what I mean? Like she's the lowest of the low. Everyone thinks she's a. And she kills herself by corrosive
Speaker 2Tablets in my painful way.
Speaker 3So she swallows something called a mercuric chloride, which partly is a corrosive sublimate. I don't even know what that means. Sublimate. And basically she convulsed and vomited in agony for five days before she actually told my
Speaker 2God. Oh no.
Speaker 3And then her family who were horrified by all this and believed her had , um, an autopsy done after she died. And it was discovered that Doria was a Virgin
Speaker 2That she had. Yeah .
Speaker 3She let her hide or whatever is still there.
Speaker 2It's just like, that's not actually like a thing, but yes . But anyway, good enough. Back then as proof. Thanks news . Yeah, no, I'm just saying like even
Speaker 3Was guilty. How horrendous that a woman would feel like she had to kill herself. Yeah , because of society's like moral, high standards for women and not for men. Like where the folks between these corrosive tablets. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2That's the thing about the time is like the rumor where like it might've yeah. Her sales or something for a while , but like he'd have been fine, but like her life was ruined by that. So, but Cine was a then.
Speaker 3Oh, he was a total. But
Speaker 2Actually on this occasion, he actually didn't mean to, Oh , nobody was already having an affair, just not with Dorian .
Speaker 3Okay. And God forbid , instead of admitting, he was actually having an affair with someone else, he let Doria take the fall for it. That's what I mean, no one in this is so FastCo is equally kind of hideous. She's like Ivanka drunk or something now.
Speaker 2Um, I mean, I'm not sure that Ivanka Trump has done that specifically, but uh [inaudible]
Speaker 3But the very fact that she caused that in the first place and at no point in anyone think to step in, but Cine , they all knew the truth, everyone except Elvia. And you what ? And obviously FastCo , the husband knew what was going on and they decided to protect themselves more than protect this kind of this child who was like the absolutely innocent party in all this. Right. So the man Friday , so obviously the , the affair is still at this point, like secret, nobody knows about Julia.
Speaker 2Do they find out what happens?
Speaker 3Well, they, it comes out years . It actually comes out in the nineties the night because of all the letters, I'll explain this, there's another section to this. I'll come to that. I'll come to that. So , um, Jory his family take a Vierra to court for manslaughter or whatever, because they believed that that wow. Hounding pounding Doria that may Doria killer also , uh Alvera ironically accused Julia of being the go-between. Oh wow. Yeah. And they won. So they took her to court and they won. Avira received a sentence of five years and six months or something. But instead of going to prison, Puccini paid off the family. So. Well, good job. He did. So basically his wife went mad cause he kept having affairs and not mad, but you know what I mean? She, she was so psychologically , uh, peaked damaged by his , um, that she hounded this poor girl , uh , who we don't know. Oh yeah. That's that's I should think he did pay that off. Wow. Well it's come back, but that's not where the story ends. Right. So patina and Julia have this affair until petunia dies now. Jeez . They keep going and he died at yeah. So in 1923, Julia gives birth to Alfredo Manfredi , uh , unmarried and gives birth to this child. Whoa, Jesus put Cine . Yeah. So for the last, like, what is that? 2008, 15 years he visited Julia every weekend. He would go and stay with her. It was like he had weekday wife and then nighttime or so he would go on visit. And of course at this point his kids are grown up pretty much like grown up out of their own affairs. So he's just doing his thing, having their own affairs. I grew up so fast. So afraid was born in 1923 and patina dies in 1924. Oh yeah. He dies a throat cancer. He was like , um, he was a massive chain smoker. And in fact, in every picture of patina he smoked. Oh yeah. Yeah. I feel like this is all I'm going to be thinking about. If I ever see like a [inaudible] I'd be like, no , I know . That's what I made. I don't share what you come with a disclaimer. What's what would the disclaimer be like by the way this composer was, think about that while you enjoy this beautiful night after Puccini dies, El Vira inherits the fortune again. It's about the it's approximately 130 million. And when she dies, it passed to Antonio. Do you remember her first child without Vierra ? Yeah. Antonio Mary's very high ranking. Uh , Italian socialite lady called Rita Del Ana . And I think she's a cat Tess, I think. Or she's in line to be a contest or something. Right . It's just, she's a , I don't know how all that, how it will work. And aristocracy works here. Nevermind, how it works. And it lays important to me. Big wig, fancy family. They never have children. Oh. So they, so they never reproduce a child or whatever.
Speaker 2Is that reproduce a child. They never have kids.
Speaker 3They remain childless. That's it? Yeah .
Speaker 2Then does it go all the way back ?
Speaker 3I'm afraid . It was never acknowledged. Remember? So no one knows I'm afraid of exists. It goes back to Simonetta smash. You've never heard of seminary before seminary ju Rue mellow . So you might ask me who is seminar to do Romello Amer who is seminar to Jude rebel . She is the daughter of Antonio Puccini. And just subpoena
Speaker 2Lou Mello . Whenever someone he had an affair with then obviously yes. Teeny Mac . Like so Antonio,
Speaker 3I know. Yeah. The Apple don't fall far from the tree. Antonio had this affair with this girl , uh , just, just subpoena. And they had a child called Simonetta seminar-type knew her dad the whole way up. He paid for her entire life, basically education where they lived, because remember he inherited like , but when did they have the affair? Was it, Oh, that part, I don't know a seminar. Tara was born in 1929. So actually five years after, after petunia died. But I remember at this point like , um , Antonio is like 40 something is , he was 40 , nearly 50 something. So they have this illegitimate daughter Simonetta so you have Alfredo, who is the son of Julia and fraidy , the cousin of the maid . So illegitimate Alfredo. Yes. And then you have Pachino his son, illegitimate son. Antonio's illegitimate Dodger seminar seminar , but the money doesn't go to any of these two who they go to the money goes to, well, when Antonio dies, his wife, Rita, Della , Anna , she gets everything and he goes to her. So she gets everything. When she, when she dies and then Simonetta is cut off . So when Antonio dies, Simonettis Minetta is cutoff . Um , because obviously she's the secret and uh , secret money stuff . So Rita, Della Ana inherits all the money, but then Rita dies
Speaker 2And I don't have kids in
Speaker 31979. The money passes to her unmarried brother count Livio Della , Anna . Who's a socialite who blew most of it in Monte Monte-Carlo with his Butler and lover, Pasquale, Bella
Speaker 2Fun
Speaker 3Butler lover, they squander and fritter away. Most of everything else. Right. And when cat Livio dies in eight at 19, it's really weird now to say 1986, since I've been living in the past , he didn't leave a will . Bella . Donna went to the course and claimed all of the Procini money or the legacy, all the rights became this Butler guys,
Speaker 2The Butler , the point , because
Speaker 3Count . Yeah. The Butler was all the inheritance he inherited then . Yeah. So Simonetta is like, Oh no, you don't. And has Pachino zoomed jeez . And a DNA test is done. Well, someone's exude. Maybe it was on Tonio, but someone's exude , um, does the DNA test done? And it's proven that Simonetta is the daughter Antonio Puccini. So then she inherits everything, but there's nothing left lads except the house and a couple of manuscripts and all this. So she ends up inheriting debt, the Bella, Donna, and the character.
Speaker 1Well , I know the squandered away in Monte-Carlo minion in Monte-Carlo. And I remember hearing about this before.
Speaker 3Yeah. So she then dedicates her life to like , um, making the museum where the Cine festival is house and like, you know, taking care of his manuscripts and actually property, like, you know, preserving them and doing all these things over granddad . Right. But remember guys, we haven't found out what happened to,
Speaker 1I was gonna say, Rodolfo ,
Speaker 3Alfredo, Alfredo has lived it impoverished his entire life. Wow. Right. Doesn't know who his dad is. Doesn't know anything. But the rumor mill in this small Italian town is that East bikini's and lads. There are photographs.
Speaker 1Oh, Alfredo. And do they look really similar?
Speaker 3Oh my God . They are like the same person. The only difference is that the camera quality is a little bit down, but Antonio dies Manfreda Manfredi dies. Uh , but his daughter [inaudible]
Speaker 1Dies. Dies.
Speaker 3Yes. Not knowing who his dad was and you know, kind of knowing it's bikini , but never doing anything about it. His daughter is like kind of horrified. I think, I don't know if she started this battle before he died or not, but she wanted to have a DNA test done to prove who her dad was and who her dad's family was so that it could be acknowledged, you know, who he was like that they were, but Simonette it blocked her in court the whole time. Wouldn't have done refuse to have DNA done, refuse to allow them , um, you know, access to any of the Cine , whatnot. And this is still going on now because now , um, Simonetta died and all opportunities belongings now belong to the state because there was no one left to claim. There was no one left. So Naveah is now fighting the state, the Italian, like the state to try and get like acknowledgement that she's the rightful heir to all of this stuff as the only relative living relative. And she is, she looks just like him and her son looks just him. It's quite amazing actually. So you can Google them and you'll see the pictures. But up till now, all of these court cases have been blocked. Wow. It's just been, not allowed. Not allowed. Yeah . Yeah. And maybe it's because all right . His estate went into debt, but I imagine it's not in debt anymore. And there's loads of money and it's yeah. Isn't it funny? So that's so it's just kinda like prestigious too , I suppose, like in a way. Yeah. Yeah. But the fallout from all of petunias , philandering is still going on. It's not mental. Yeah. That is, Oh my God. So, and there is the end. There you go. That's my story. That's amazing.
Speaker 1Yeah. Part of the Creek . Yeah . Yeah.
Speaker 3Didn't know . We didn't know that. Did we ? I didn't know any of that. And for someone who was obsessed, like I was obsessed with Pettine . I honestly was a bit like, I didn't like for Cine for another one after I did all this stuff, I was a bit like, come on, man. I , and maybe it is the me too, like wake up moment. I was like, Oh my God, the Cine is Harvey Epstein. And I can't deal with this. That's not his name. Harvey Weinstein Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein. [inaudible] the last couple of years backed them together. Made them the same thing. So , um, yeah. So it's a bit of a gray area. Isn't it? I'm a bit like why didn't knob. Yeah. So that's patina is life. It's not the version I was told in musicology . And it'll definitely make me reassess how I'm singing a while .
Speaker 1It explains a lot of his operas and a lot of the themes in his operas . And
Speaker 3It's amazing. Yeah. But also where they , cause that's a different podcast, that's actually an educational podcast. But if you look at all of the characters and the women that he was involved with, like there's lots and lots of literature and study on , um , how that affected how he wrote those characters. Literally at that time , they're nearly, they're completely reflected. Yeah . Imagine if you were one of the women in his life, he went to go and see an opera and you're like, Hey, that was literally what I went through. That's why you put me through the Cine died. Right? This is cool. Right. So patina died, writing the opera turned out , right? It's the last thing he ever wrote. But these Chinese, this Chinese princess who was killing all these men who were trying to find out her name and if they didn't guess it, she killed him . Right. That's the opera that a nurse on daughter ma whereas Pavarotti, you get them up on how many millions has a, Britain's got talent made from annual , uh , singing a bit of old to come after Paul Potts, everyone saw Paul Potts and went , Oh, mediocrely talented. I'm going to, Vogan give that a go. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding nurse on
Speaker 1Door. Yep . Maybe I'll do it this year. That looks sick. Yeah. We'll all be on. Britain's got talent, Nessun, Dorma and try to , um, so , uh , that's the opera that came from and it's sung by Prince would have a focus called, but Prince , whatever the is called caliph in what does it kind of laugh ? That Prince caliph in the story. And he has , um, a servant called Lu who kills herself. Can I just say on the, on the
Speaker 2Audio, that sounds like Lou L O it's L I U. Oh, just for NEEF . Yes I, yes . Yes . Yeah. And it's not like [inaudible]
Speaker 1No , it's all yourself . And everybody's yeah, that was his last opera. And everyone says it was because he just, he, he carried around this like , uh, guilt over Dory , his death . So was, Alvera like to herself. Well, I think so, because it sounds like , um , in the opera, in the opera native view kills yourself to protect her master. Oh my God. So it turned out, turned dot torches knew to get cat laughs to work out how caliph knew her name. Oh it. I can't remember.
Speaker 2But bottom line, it's like a loyal servant sacrifices, their life to protect like the weird honor of their , uh , master or whatever employer master sends , what your employer. So protest turned off is evil. That's you know, she's, she's a , she's a body and it sounds like he was writing over there into that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1Yeah . I killed a Saint turned up, man. I totally relate. Wow. You just get that stunk and area at the end. It's like the equivalent of , um , all day, Loretta, you just come on at the end, sing the like bonkers area and then you get the biggest bear at the end. Woo dude . That's not true. That's not true. It's a fiendish roll food though. Turn that turned off . Yeah. I've every time I've seen it turn a good cause she's a body . Oh, you mean like [inaudible]
Speaker 2Very often to women like the lead role in an opera, you come out, you haven't done the role of justice if you're not being booed. Yeah. But it's also so weird. Yeah , yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah . But didn't he, so he died near in the middle of turndown . Right . Uh , and he died just after he'd written the area where Lou kills herself. That's where his pen was put dose jar. Yeah. So that's where I'm going to leave my store. I'm going to leave you hanging on. That's amazing. Thanks email . It was amazing. So that's what I know about patina Procini man , frailty family are coming for us. That's it's a story nobody wants to told very ill-equipped for the court cases that are coming our way. Um, but great. Um, cool. So I'm looking forward to , uh , next week story, which I think is going to be Kathy , isn't it? Yes . Or is it American anyway? It's not me. Someone else is telling a story the next time. Both of us. Well , that's a , yeah. Somebody else needs. Um, and so we're yeah. Uh, we're getting a lot of social media engagement at the moment and it's really great. So , uh, if you haven't already followed our social media, we're on Twitter at old Bluffs and we are on Instagram at opera . Is that what it is? Opera Bluffs. And we are now on Facebook as well. So , um, which I think is like at upper Bluffs as well. So however you interact with the world, interact with us. Yes, please . That's your comments and things too . We have a Gmail too, right? So upper blass@gmail.com . Let us know your thoughts. We have been upper Bluffs . Thanks for tuning in or whatever, or I don't know , or whatever.
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